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King Salmon's avatar

Dissident movements, by definition, are about pushing from the outside in. Once your movement achieves real power, as the right has done for the first time in about eighty years, it can no longer be aptly described as dissident. Once you go from pushing from the outside to pulling from the inside, your movement becomes something else. And if you'd rather stay on the outside and push, as it seems Kaschuta wishes to do, that's fine, as long as you acknowledge that you are no longer part of the movement.

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Gengar_Chi's avatar

Kaschuta identifies properly that the "online right," perhaps inclusive of you, has become a system generating banal and low-brow pseudo-intellectualism. "Muh! Power flows down! Spengler! Pay me for exclusive content! Muh!"

I urge you to enroll in nursing school and never post again.

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Isaac Simpson's avatar

If I’ve ever seen a pseudo intellectual it’s Alex kaschuta

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Gengar_Chi's avatar

I didn’t argue she was a real intellectual. Only that the slop generators you consume eagerly - “Muh! Schmittian distinction!” - are all charlatans.

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Draper Drapes's avatar

Dude point us in the direction of the people doing anything more interesting than the dissident right. You can’t. That doesn’t exist right now.

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Gengar_Chi's avatar

I mean, if you think crap about how "power likes to reveal itself" is interesting, I urge you to just watch reruns of "Friends."

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Jesse's avatar

I could almost buy this if history started in 2016 but all the right ever had to talk about before the DR was 'muh constitution' and 'the democrats are the real racists' 'imagine if the roles were reversed'. Criticizing post-war liberalism hasn't even made it totally mainstream and you're trying to sell it as boring. What are your ideas?

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Gengar_Chi's avatar

My ideas are like Aristotle’s. Above all - the Golden Mean. If your critique of liberalism results in fanaticism, a primitive obsession with the JQ, and selling banal content online instead of having a real job, then you’ve clearly missed a few turns in Albuquerque.

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Bertrand Caso's avatar

You’re doing the same thing she is. You’re not naming anyone specific. You’re just tilting at the entire ecosystem and saying it is cringe. Of course it’s cringe. The internet cringe because it’s not real. That doesn’t mean there aren’t good writers, thinkers and yes, genuinely funny memes in the DR (there are). Also, the entire left-wing ecosystem “has jobs” because that’s literally what academia is: jobs for leftism. That is what the DR understands and is trying to change.

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Gengar_Chi's avatar

The Axis of Auron MacIntyre, the Prudentialist, Academic Agent, "Right Response Ministries," etc., are basically all charlatans babbling about "pPppPower" and asking for money.

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Draper Drapes's avatar

These people on the right have jobs and also think liberalism is a failure. You’re on your boomer normie sadism kick.

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Gengar_Chi's avatar

They don't have jobs and typically also have no families. They're "influencers" who, like teenage girls, harvest social media for clicks. "Muh! Spengler! Pay me!"

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Draper Drapes's avatar

You’ve revealed yourself to be too gay to function.

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Gengar_Chi's avatar

I strongly recommend that you enroll in nursing school and never post again.

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Aspiring Misanthrope's avatar

Ngl, this guest is unbearable. More feminist drivel.

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Aspiring Misanthrope's avatar

Upon further reflection, I’m more convinced that the guest means well, but is very confused.

She said “women should have careers if they want” and “parenting is so important that women need to stay home”.

Make it make sense.

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Marshall Burnham's avatar

I’m glad you covered this topic.

It seems a bit odd that we are still in the first 100 days of Trump 2.0 and “all of a sudden” The Dissident Right is over, leading to “war”, and Trumpism as a movement is suddenly the worst thing ever.

It’s almost as if… the Kaschuta and Pedros of the world are “useful idiots”…

Although I always found Pedro to be emotionally unstable, quite unreadable and wasn’t he RW for like 10 mins? He read some Francis and disliked LGBTQ, but almost immediately he started hating Trump and whining about everything.

But yeah I think anyone who is already whining about the DR this early in the first true mainstreaming of it (Vance being a Moldbug reader, etc.) might as well be part of the DNC

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Greg Leichner's avatar

RE: The Michelle Goldberg editorial "The Vibe Shifts Against the Right..." I'm surprised you spent the whole 90 minutes talking about the conservative version of the man/woman relationship. My notes from Goldberg's NYT piece were all about Kaschuta's disillusionment with the dissident right.

Alex Kaschuta "once found transgressive right-wing ideas scintillating." Now, she "is having second thoughts as she watches Donald Trump put those ideas into action. Looking at the disaster of Trump, she sees that the right-wing anti-woke party is incapable of effective governance."

"Silicon Valley revolted against social justice ideology. Silicon Valley billionaires

want a swift lean government that stops strangling innovation with regulations.

With Trump, what they got was the worst and dumbest people in the world

gloating about how they solved the grift."

"Not everyone can sustain the level of cognitive dissonance necessary to rationalize away this administration's destructiveness."

"In power, authoritarianism is always going to be cruel and stupid."

"The consequences of stupidity are made real by Trump's unnecessary trade war."

"None of the Trumpist vibes stand up to scrutiny. None fit into the 21st century. None would lead to anything but immiseration and war."

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Draper Drapes's avatar

What about the trump presidency is a failure so far? He’s doing all the things i voted for

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Greg Leichner's avatar

In all of human history, the book burners have never been the good guys. /// The go-to coping mechanism for the Republican base is violence. /// The Southern evangelical churches are front organizations for the Ku Klux Klan. Book burning, violence, the KKK... it's what you voted for. Oh... and don't forget to "grab 'em by the pussy."

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Draper Drapes's avatar

I’m all for burning the absolutely perverted books these psychopaths want these children to read. Burn them all. And then burn the authors.

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Greg Leichner's avatar

Who hurt you?

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Draper Drapes's avatar

No one. My situational awareness is too keen to get hurt. Perhaps it’s why I’m so good at noticing the psychopaths.

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Marilyn F's avatar

Why we are still discussing women’s issues is a mystery. Women have always had more power than men. The fact they aren’t aware of that, and don’t make the most of it is their problem, not men’s.

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